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	<title>Comments on: Lacomie sau gestiune proasta a riscului? Teapa lui Madoff atinge si Unicredit.</title>
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		<title>By: AristotelCostel</title>
		<link>http://hymerion.ro/2008/12/15/lacomie-sau-gestiune-proasta-a-riscului-teapa-lui-madoff-atinge-si-unicredit.html#comment-3629</link>
		<dc:creator>AristotelCostel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BD

Pentru mine e foarte clar de ce trebuie sa se scuture sistemul bancar. Oricati bani ati avea, principalul obiectiv ramane...randamentul.
Atat timp cat nu respectati niste principii si atat timp cat nu sunteti in stare sa va feriti de capcanele jocurilor piramidale, sunteti usor inutili societatii. Mai grav, ati devenit nocivi! In disperarea de a astupa gauri ati provocat buliada milenului peste tot unde ati cautat randamente, iar scuza voastra e ...capitalismul...in fapt, o teapa ordinara!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BD</p>
<p>Pentru mine e foarte clar de ce trebuie sa se scuture sistemul bancar. Oricati bani ati avea, principalul obiectiv ramane&#8230;randamentul.<br />
Atat timp cat nu respectati niste principii si atat timp cat nu sunteti in stare sa va feriti de capcanele jocurilor piramidale, sunteti usor inutili societatii. Mai grav, ati devenit nocivi! In disperarea de a astupa gauri ati provocat buliada milenului peste tot unde ati cautat randamente, iar scuza voastra e &#8230;capitalismul&#8230;in fapt, o teapa ordinara!</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aristotel, eu zic ca banii intrati in economia reala sunt de citeva mii de ori mai multi (daca nu zeci de mii). Daca tu ai reusi sa plasezi bani fara sa pierzi nimic, ar insemna 2 lucruri:

1. sa fii o entitate suprema care sa stie tot ce misca in lumea asta : )))
2. sa nu castigi mai nimic (plasand bani in investii cu risc ce tinde spre 0 si cu randamenete de asemenea ce tind catre 0).

ratingul aaaaaaa+ cum zici tu, nu il da banca ci agentia de rating. daca 4 agentii zic ca e ok, nu cred ca mergi tu sa ii faci la ala audit sa vezi ca e handicapat. hai sa vedem mai larg lucrurile. parerea mea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aristotel, eu zic ca banii intrati in economia reala sunt de citeva mii de ori mai multi (daca nu zeci de mii). Daca tu ai reusi sa plasezi bani fara sa pierzi nimic, ar insemna 2 lucruri:</p>
<p>1. sa fii o entitate suprema care sa stie tot ce misca in lumea asta : )))<br />
2. sa nu castigi mai nimic (plasand bani in investii cu risc ce tinde spre 0 si cu randamenete de asemenea ce tind catre 0).</p>
<p>ratingul aaaaaaa+ cum zici tu, nu il da banca ci agentia de rating. daca 4 agentii zic ca e ok, nu cred ca mergi tu sa ii faci la ala audit sa vezi ca e handicapat. hai sa vedem mai larg lucrurile. parerea mea.</p>
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		<title>By: AristotelCostel</title>
		<link>http://hymerion.ro/2008/12/15/lacomie-sau-gestiune-proasta-a-riscului-teapa-lui-madoff-atinge-si-unicredit.html#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>AristotelCostel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BD

Asa luati voi deciziile? Nu vrei sa-ti diversifici portofoliul donandu-mi si mie 1 milion de euro? Accept transferul si printr-o fundatie....whatever...

Unde vedem noi lacomie?

Creditati voi economia reala? NUUUUUUUUU!!! Ce randamente poate sa-ti aduca un IMM...pe cand un credit ipotecar aflat la temelia Caritasului imobiliar...e AAAAAAAAAAA+

Aveti voi experienta in acordarea de credite pentru dezvoltare economica?
Nu-i mai simplu sa lasi evaluatorul scolit 2 saptamani la sala de treiling sa-si asume un scor...voi dati banu&#039; si timpul le rezolva pe toate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BD</p>
<p>Asa luati voi deciziile? Nu vrei sa-ti diversifici portofoliul donandu-mi si mie 1 milion de euro? Accept transferul si printr-o fundatie&#8230;.whatever&#8230;</p>
<p>Unde vedem noi lacomie?</p>
<p>Creditati voi economia reala? NUUUUUUUUU!!! Ce randamente poate sa-ti aduca un IMM&#8230;pe cand un credit ipotecar aflat la temelia Caritasului imobiliar&#8230;e AAAAAAAAAAA+</p>
<p>Aveti voi experienta in acordarea de credite pentru dezvoltare economica?<br />
Nu-i mai simplu sa lasi evaluatorul scolit 2 saptamani la sala de treiling sa-si asume un scor&#8230;voi dati banu&#8217; si timpul le rezolva pe toate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nu de suma, ma refeream la ce spui tu legat de gestiunea proasta a riscului. In momentul in care esti o banca mare faci si investitii diversificate, parerea mea, tocmai pentru a dispersa riscul. 75 mio sau 30 mio mi se par o suma mica in comparatie cu nivelul &quot;bussinesului&quot; generat de Maddof. Nu cred ca e lacomie ce s-a intamplat acolo, si tu daca erai Head of whatever investement banking plasai o suma oarecare in contul respectiv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu de suma, ma refeream la ce spui tu legat de gestiunea proasta a riscului. In momentul in care esti o banca mare faci si investitii diversificate, parerea mea, tocmai pentru a dispersa riscul. 75 mio sau 30 mio mi se par o suma mica in comparatie cu nivelul &#8220;bussinesului&#8221; generat de Maddof. Nu cred ca e lacomie ce s-a intamplat acolo, si tu daca erai Head of whatever investement banking plasai o suma oarecare in contul respectiv.</p>
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		<title>By: hymerion</title>
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		<dc:creator>hymerion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...si eu nu 75 mio am dat ca cifra?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;si eu nu 75 mio am dat ca cifra?</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nu e chiar asa cum spui tu, cel putin nu 100%.

Statement on Madoff
December 15, 2008- h 09:00
VaiE-mail redazione


With reference to the news of fraud and incrimination of Bernard L. Madoff, UniCredit communicates that its own exposure is circa Euro 75 million.

Relative to its asset management division Pioneer Investments, UniCredit confirms that certain funds belonging to its alternative investments unit have been indirectly exposed to Madoff through feeder funds. However, these funds are not included in any portfolio of the Italian funds of hedge funds.

The exposure of Italian clients is therefore equal to zero.


Milan, December 15 2008


Enquiries:

Media Relations: Tel. +39 02 88628236;
e-mail: MediaRelations@unicreditgroup.eu
Investor Relations: Tel. +39 02 88628715;
e-mail: InvestorRelations@unicreditgroup.eu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu e chiar asa cum spui tu, cel putin nu 100%.</p>
<p>Statement on Madoff<br />
December 15, 2008- h 09:00<br />
VaiE-mail redazione</p>
<p>With reference to the news of fraud and incrimination of Bernard L. Madoff, UniCredit communicates that its own exposure is circa Euro 75 million.</p>
<p>Relative to its asset management division Pioneer Investments, UniCredit confirms that certain funds belonging to its alternative investments unit have been indirectly exposed to Madoff through feeder funds. However, these funds are not included in any portfolio of the Italian funds of hedge funds.</p>
<p>The exposure of Italian clients is therefore equal to zero.</p>
<p>Milan, December 15 2008</p>
<p>Enquiries:</p>
<p>Media Relations: Tel. +39 02 88628236;<br />
e-mail: <a href="mailto:MediaRelations@unicreditgroup.eu">MediaRelations@unicreditgroup.eu</a><br />
Investor Relations: Tel. +39 02 88628715;<br />
e-mail: <a href="mailto:InvestorRelations@unicreditgroup.eu">InvestorRelations@unicreditgroup.eu</a></p>
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		<title>By: neurromu'</title>
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		<dc:creator>neurromu'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asa cu s-a scris deja, fondul lui Madoff a &quot;beneficiat&quot; de audituri obscure deci nu poate fi decat o LACOMIE din partea unor banci asa de mari.
Jenant ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa cu s-a scris deja, fondul lui Madoff a &#8220;beneficiat&#8221; de audituri obscure deci nu poate fi decat o LACOMIE din partea unor banci asa de mari.<br />
Jenant &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AristotelCostel</title>
		<link>http://hymerion.ro/2008/12/15/lacomie-sau-gestiune-proasta-a-riscului-teapa-lui-madoff-atinge-si-unicredit.html#comment-3622</link>
		<dc:creator>AristotelCostel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As putea sa completez textul de mai sus cu &quot;cea mai mare&quot; sau macar 75 milioane de euro? Poate ar merge, totusi, «aproximativ » ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As putea sa completez textul de mai sus cu &#8220;cea mai mare&#8221; sau macar 75 milioane de euro? Poate ar merge, totusi, «aproximativ » ?</p>
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		<title>By: AristotelCostel</title>
		<link>http://hymerion.ro/2008/12/15/lacomie-sau-gestiune-proasta-a-riscului-teapa-lui-madoff-atinge-si-unicredit.html#comment-3621</link>
		<dc:creator>AristotelCostel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dl. bancher .... de la ..... încă are un pariu cu piaţa imobiliară românească.
Lăcomie?
Da&#039; de unde...acte de caritate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dl. bancher &#8230;. de la &#8230;.. încă are un pariu cu piaţa imobiliară românească.<br />
Lăcomie?<br />
Da&#8217; de unde&#8230;acte de caritate&#8230;</p>
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